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Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:13 am
by 1872Hokie
SteveP wrote:
Shooting Star (will likely enter the second phase release of the DIVa catalogue at 1SB-405)

Reverse markers
- "shooting star" / falling e die gouges
- moon line clash remnant
- DDR, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (c manifestation)
- die crack through N in UNITED
Steve, were any of the reverse markers I listed on page 1 duplicated in your coin? The dual gouges in the O of ONE or the Die Crack on OF?

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:59 am
by SteveP
1872Hokie wrote:
SteveP wrote:
Shooting Star (will likely enter the second phase release of the DIVa catalogue at 1SB-405)

Reverse markers
- "shooting star" / falling e die gouges
- moon line clash remnant
- DDR, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (c manifestation)
- die crack through N in UNITED
- parallel die scratches/gouges inside the O of ONE
- parallel die scratches/gouges coming off the right hand side of the base of the F in OF
- die scratch/gouge between the base of O and F in OF
Steve, were any of the reverse markers I listed on page 1 duplicated in your coin? The dual gouges in the O of ONE or the Die Crack on OF?
There are plenty of die scratches/gouges to list, and I added them above. I did not see that die crack running southwest off of the F that you refer to - on your coin or mine.

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:06 am
by 1872Hokie
That's odd. I remember using high level directional lighting, although with all of the other markers, the crack really won't be all that important. Thanks Steve.

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:10 pm
by SteveP
Whoa!!!!
I picked up some PCGS returns today, one of which I had sent off due to being multi-clashed. So I'm checking it in the holder so that I can write some notes in the PCGS My Inventory database. It turns out to be a "Shooting Star" :D
But wait...something is weird....instead of the moon line remnant contiguous with the top of the first L in DOLLAR (see prior photo in thread), it has a monster moon line :o Ok....let me verify the rest of the markers....all check on the reverse :) However, the obverse is multi-clashed across the top of the head (as well as elsewhere on the obverse), has a different DDO, and a different MMP :o
Friends, we have two known die marriages for the "Shooting Star" :!: :!: :!: These "Shooting Stars" are headed up the DIVa totem pole, IMO.

DIVa 1SB-405.1 "Shooting Star"
(DMR1)

Obverse markers
- DDO family 3 (same family as WDDO-004), with split W, vertical cleaving on IN and TR, and notching in lower right side of foot of R in LIBERTY
- multi-clashed. Top of head has crate, O, and LL clashes. Faint hair lip, faint UDU, faint volunteer.
- MMP

Reverse Markers
- "shooting star" / falling e die gouges
- full monster moon line clash, thicker portion of which is contiguous with top of first L in DOLLAR
- DDR, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (c manifestation)
- die crack through N in UNITED
- parallel die scratches/gouges inside the O of ONE
- parallel die scratches/gouges coming off the right hand side of the base of the F in OF
- die scratch/gouge between the base of O and F in OF

DIVa 1SB-405.2 "Shooting Star"
(DMR2)

Obverse markers
- MMP
- TDO, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (b manifestation). Note: 1971S DDO family 1 has multiple die representatives. One of the more notable is the WDDO-007 seen in 1SB-201 (FS-401 MMP1), and the WDDO-006, among others. The WDDO-007 and WDDO-006 are 1a manifestations. There are multiple dies in the 1b group, bearing the same doubling pattern as the 1a group, but a) clearly TDO, b) a bit less spread, and c) little or no apparent notching in the lower left part of the foot of the R in LIBERTY.

Reverse markers
- "shooting star" / falling e die gouges
- moon line clash remnant contiguous with the top of the first L on DOLLAR. Die abrasion evidence at former location of the rest of the moon line
- DDR, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (c manifestation)
- die crack through N in UNITED
- parallel die scratches/gouges inside the O of ONE
- parallel die scratches/gouges coming off the right hand side of the base of the F in OF
- die scratch/gouge between the base of O and F in OF

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:13 pm
by SteveP
SteveP wrote: DIVa 1SB-405.1 "Shooting Star"
(DMR1)

Obverse markers
- DDO family 3 (same family as WDDO-004), with split W, vertical cleaving on IN and TR, and notching in lower right side of foot of R in LIBERTY
- multi-clashed. Top of head has crate, O, and LL clashes. Faint hair lip, faint UDU, faint volunteer.
- MMP
continued

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:24 pm
by SteveP
SteveP wrote: DIVa 1SB-405.1 "Shooting Star"
(DMR1)

Reverse Markers
- "shooting star" / falling e die gouges
- full monster moon line clash, thicker portion of which is contiguous with top of first L in DOLLAR
- DDR, belonging to 1971S SB DDO family 1 (c manifestation)
- die crack through N in UNITED
- parallel die scratches/gouges inside the O of ONE
- parallel die scratches/gouges coming off the right hand side of the base of the F in OF
- die scratch/gouge between the base of O and F in OF
Reverse photos.

Now of to check the MMP of the 1SB-405.1 versus other DDO family 3 obverses......stay tuned.

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:31 pm
by 1872Hokie
That is pretty awesome. What grade did yours come back as?

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:53 am
by SteveP
1872Hokie wrote:That is pretty awesome. What grade did yours come back as?
MS-65 for the 1SB-405.1 (just in today)
MS-66 for the 1SB-405.2 (the one I posted about earlier in the thread)

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:49 am
by shasta7
Hi Steve...
Congrad's on the grade...

Just wanted to also comment on how you present your pictures of marking out the
little boxes... showing area's that need to look at & just as important the naming of
each picture... giving an explanation of the pic in the name. It makes it so much easier
when looking for the markers or coins... so Thank you for doing that for us...

Keep up the great job!!

Re: Falling "E"?

Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:44 am
by SteveP
Thank you. However, my photography equipment needs an upgrade, especially for tighter shots.