1971S-FS-106 (1S1-310) Confirmation & Introduction

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1971S-FS-106 (1S1-310) Confirmation & Introduction

Post by jay4202472000 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:52 am

My name is Jay, this is my first thread here, and I am fairly new to the vast world of Ike die varieties. I started out collecting Lincoln cents and Jefferson nickel proofs, but it didn't take me long to become infatuated with die varieties, and somewhat interested in mint errors. For the past 7 or 8 years I have been studying and researching Lincoln cent varieties, but over a year ago I started to venture beyond Lincolns. I have done really well picking Washington varieties, along with a few Jefferson nickels, and a couple here and there of some other series. I mean I like any die variety. From Cherrypicker's Guide varieties to the microscopic single-squeeze shield cent doubled dies. I even keep any trail dies I find in pocket change.

I am very comfortable discerning true doubled dies from machine damage, and am confident in my attribution skills...except when it comes to Ikes. I had just started visiting IDDD.com not long before Tom K passed, and man was I overwhelmed. I decided back then I did not have the time to study Ike varieties the way I needed to to start trying to pick them from eBay. Some time passed and I noticed a no doubt DDO on a '71S silver proof. I won it and could not attribute it to any listed DDOs on Variety Vista, Wexler's, or the Ike Group. I assume it is an example of a working hub DDO. I would love to get all of your opinions sometime later on.

This is my second Ike DDO pick from eBay. I am fairly confident my attribution of FS-106 is correct, but you guys are the experts. Please offer up your opinions.

I hope to learn a lot from you all! Thanks for having me!
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Post by jay4202472000 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:54 am

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Post by AndyO » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:59 am

Nice to have you. Before I go too far, have you checked out and compared our DIVa page for the FS-106 (1S1-310)?
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Post by jay4202472000 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:13 pm

Andy, nice to meet you and thanks for responding. Yes sir, I did check the DIVA images. I come here first as this is THE Ike haven. That coin is the DIVA files is spectacular. There are few die flow lines visible, except for around the T, and there wasn't an image of the mint mark placement for me to do an overlay, so I went to Variety Vista. I know I can use placement as a constant die marker as long as the MM and variety are on the same side of the coin. My coin matches CONECA DDO-006 for sure, which is the die they have listed as FS-106. However, your comment made me question my attribution, so I am working on some research now. I will let you know what I find tomorrow hopefully.

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Re: 1971S-FS-106 (1S1-310) Confirmation & Introduction

Post by jay4202472000 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 5:43 pm

Ok, I have spent hours (more than 2, lol!) working on this attribution. I have created images using the Variety Vista images of DDO-006 and DDO-027, along with my images and the DIVa images. I don't want to share them here because I don't have Wiles' permission or the permission of VIVa. I am more confused than I would have ever thought I could be. I have done overlays with my coin and the mint mark location images on Variety Vista. I am 100% certain my coin is DDO-006. DDO-027's mint mark is closer to the bust and farther east.

However, I do not think my coin matches the DIVa images of FS-106. I say "think" because I have no way to overlay the mint mark. The doubling on my coin appears to be slightly stronger than the DIVa FS-106. By stronger, I mean a wider SE/NW spread. It shows best on the IN & TR of IGWT, and also on the T in LIBERTY.

I have looked at my coin closely and can't make out any splits on the E of WE, like shown in the DIVa images, but if you compare DDO-006 & DDO-027, 006 does not show splits on the E. 027 does.

Compare the last T in TRUST. DIVa shows a strong split on the right end of the crossbar, with a small split on the LEFT side, but ABOVE the bottom of the crossbar. DDO-027 matches this. 006 shows a strong split on the left side, but BELOW the crossbar, and an almost nothing on the RIGHT side.

Compare the T in LIBERTY. The notch/split on my coin appears to be farther (to the left) away from the tip end of the T than the DIVa example. Now look at the 006 & 027. 006 has a wider spread than 027.

If you compare the bottom of IN & TR on the DIVa FS-106 with DDO-027 & 006, the DIVa example appears to match 027 there also.

From everything I compared side-by-side, DIVa 1S1-310 (FS-106) matches CONECA DDO-027.

Man I am confused. Help me Andy and others! Those two dies are super close. I wonder how man have been misattributed by the TPGs?

Thanks all!


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Re: 1971S-FS-106 (1S1-310) Confirmation & Introduction

Post by BrianVaile » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:30 pm

Welcome Jay!
Looks like a pretty solid 106 to me. I'd send it in for attribution as such. See what PCGS says! :roll:
I wonder how man have been misattributed by the TPGs?
. Great question! It is a tough "Family" of closely related Ikes.
I have your coin's twin sitting in a PCGS FS-103 holder.

Lots of good DIVA's in Ikeland to search for! Glad you got to work with Tom K. a little. He waded a lot deeper into Ike DDO's and DDR's than I ever dreamed of, so I did learn quite a bit from him.

Happy Hunting!
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Re: 1971S-FS-106 (1S1-310) Confirmation & Introduction

Post by jay4202472000 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:25 pm

Thank you kindly Brian!

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