1971-S DDR FS-801

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Re: 1971-S DDR FS-801

Post by 19Lyds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:47 am

tko-5 wrote:You wrote,
Ken has addressed what? The coin is in the CPG. From what I understand, the CPG Editors solicit new varieties from "noted" variety specialists and organizations. Those specialists submit "candidate" coins to the CPG Editors. The editors than select from that list of candidates. They do not select from "coins" which have been sent so Ken Potter would have never seen your coin and would have listed it from a candidate list of coins sent in by John Wexler. Given the degree of doubling, the coin required nothing further. But then.,you already know this so whats the concern with having "eyes" behind your head these days"?

You said it well From what I know, answer, that what you knew acording to Ken potter has changed, because of the practice you described so well the CPG, PCGS and NGC and the rest have been attributing poorly defind and many are hardly attributible, the 101 for instance, 72 and 73, the 72 has more then one working die with the same doubling, the 73 by many is a master, both have limited information and in just one stage, ------------ From what I understand, the CPG Editors solicit new varieties from "noted" variety specialists and organizations. Those specialists submit "candidate" coins to the CPG Editors. The editors than select from that list of candidates. ------------- is why that effort has failed on many levels.

You said --- From what I understand, the CPG Editors solicit new varieties from "noted" variety specialists and organizations. Those specialists submit "candidate" coins to the CPG Editors. The editors than select from that list of candidates. They do not select from "coins" which have been sent so Ken Potter would have never seen your coin and would have listed it from a candidate list of coins sent in by John Wexler. ------------ ( Ken mentioned the coins are put on line that they use privitly to choose from, so to say Ken never seen that coin is im sorry to say -- your words ---Ken said he did )

They do not select from "coins" --- ( Ken has been put in charge for the reasons you spoke of so well of, and the fact the old ways of not having the coins to photograph has left them with many issues )

You said - which have been sent so Ken Potter would have never seen your coin and would have listed it from a candidate list of coins sent in by John Wexler. ------ ( so why then did Ken get mad when he found out it was my coin, according to Ken he because of the old ways you mentioned, starting with the next book with Ikes wants IDDD coins and wants to photograph them so to have the photograghs he wants, not what I want or have, this will allow the CPG to have on hand attribution pictures that an attributor can use to attribute with )

So whats the concern with having "eyes" behind your head these days"? ( Is also Ken Potters, Fivas, = CPG concerns, they do not like puting names in the CPG that are wrong for the coins owner, that can bring them a Law suite, it is also very lowly to use the next persons hard work and represent it as yours = "eyes" behind your head these days"? )

Now I have answerd your questions as best I can, after that talk to Ken your self.

I am not interested in any more questions on CPG old ways, looking forward, CPG will have nice NEW stand alone DDOs/DDRs not like the old DDOs and DDRs that some are known to exist on 40 to 50 different working die's that sold for big bucks in the past, that are not as Rare as first seemed to be and made from already doubled working hubs.
At least My ( IDDD ) Discovery or first recorded doubled die coins are to date stand alone doubled working dies that were hubbed onto that same working die and not on another, for instance, for hub 7 there are 40 to 50 same DDOs on different working dies made from doubled working hubs --- here is a partail list of Wexler delisted files for hub 7 --- WDDO-22, 23, 32, 37 and many more for hub 7, hub 7 has many same doubled dies on at least 40 to 50 working dies.

Hub 8 coins delisted by Wexler as such and now listed like this, WH-8 are delisted from WDDO-009, 10, 11, an so on. This information is now out there for all to see and understand, ( Again old work that has caused him a similer issue ) Incomplete work.

As you now may understand they as in the above have all realized they must do this correctly or all falls down as has already happened to them, looking forward IDDD will be attributing them correctly and not counting on many of the past works.
Exactly what page in the current CPG is the DDO-005 photograph acredited as belonging to any individual Tom?
What page acknowledges the coin as "belonging" to any one individual?
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Re: 1971-S DDR FS-801

Post by tko-5 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:01 am

It should be in the front of the book, it also does not accredit directly to each coin a persons name, the fact my name is not indicates the old ways accured again, something that Ken adressed to me on the phone, like I said he became upset over a truth issue and would not have gone in detail I have already spoke to unless he meant it.

Now this line of questioning you have commited yourself too is starting to get old, and is starting to sound like some kind of police action.

Then we went onto the IDDD site, he called it a labor of love and much more advanced to do with die doubling on the Ike series he had seen to date, he actuly tiped his hat to me and told me I was the first, that he does not tip his hat ever.

As I mentioned 15 coins, I will choose nice ones.

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Re: 1971-S DDR FS-801

Post by tko-5 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:05 am

Lee, have you sent that coin you said you were sending yet, I am still waiting.

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Re: 1971-S DDR FS-801

Post by 19Lyds » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:43 pm

tko-5 wrote:Lee, have you sent that coin you said you were sending yet, I am still waiting.
No I have not. If I send it anywhere, I'll be sending it to James Wiles first.
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Re: 1971-S DDR FS-801

Post by THUNDRLIPZ » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:31 pm

If I may intervene ever so briefly gentlemen, there may be a misunderstanding between the two of you that is more the fault of grammar and sentence structure, than a dispute over what actually happened. Here goes my translation of the events:

I believe Tom is simply stating that Wexler submitted a coin that was not his for inclusion into the CPG. In fact, this coin was actually owned by Tom. Tom is disappointed in the fact that he was not given credit in the beginning of the book for having a coin included within the CPG. Tom is now stating that Ken Potter is no longer accepting coins in this manner in order to be able to verify and photograph the coins themselves, maintain adequate records, and provide proper credit to those whose coins are submitted for inclusion within the CPG.

Lee is simply asking for clarification of Tom's points because without knowing the background and details of the situation that Tom is referring to, the story is unclear and rather hard to follow.

How did I do everyone? Better understood now? Now let's all go back to being friends (or at least a loose group of people who enjoy the Ike dollar). In the immortal words of Rodney King, "[c]an't we all just get along?"

Now, with that being said... Tom, I love you to death and think the world of you, but truth be told, you cannot write to save your life my friend. I had the most difficult time following your post and I sort of understand you. Still, no one knows double dies like you. Thanks for all the work you do.

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