Possible FS-103??

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Possible FS-103??

Post by wygold » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:45 am

Okay guys I need your help on this one. I just got a 1971-S Brown Ike NGC PF 68 Cameo in U.S. Mint Sealed Package from one of my normal NGC Brown Ike Dealers. As I was going thru this last shipment of coins and I glanced at the motto with my loop and took a double take on it. I already own one FS-103 PF 69 Cameo in its U.S. Mint Sealed Package graded by NGC . I don't have it in my possession right at this moment to compare. So I want a second opinion from you guys. I'm sorry if the photo quality isn't the greatest. I don't own one of them fancy digital cameras, instead I'm using my iPhone with a loop to get the best shot.

There is a line in what appears to look like a double die mark in the lower left of the I & N in the motto in, along with the same marks in the letters T & R of trust, & most noticeable in the W of we. On the W to two lower points have the line of die mark as one would say. I also noticed in the date there appears to be doubling to but very very faint.

So if you spot something I didn't then feel free to share.
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Re: Possible FS-103??

Post by SteveP » Fri Feb 13, 2015 10:48 am

Possible FS-106, not FS-103. The 103 doesn't have split W points.
Does this one have a serif R in LIBERTY or not?

1SB-301 (FS-103)

1SB-302 (FS-106)
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Re: Possible FS-103??

Post by wygold » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:06 am

SteveP wrote:Possible FS-106, not FS-103. The 103 doesn't have split W points.
Does this one have a serif R in LIBERTY or not?

1SB-301 (FS-103)

1SB-302 (FS-106)
I was thinking of the same thing this morning while I had better lighting. I looked again and no there is not a Peg leg. I will post more pics durning my lunch today.

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Post by SteveP » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:12 pm

If it is not a peg leg, then it is technically not a any of the FS numbered Ike double dies. It is nice nonetheless. Maybe worth study to assess it as a hub doubled sibling of the FS-106.
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Re: Possible FS-103??

Post by wygold » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:27 pm

SteveP wrote:If it is not a peg leg, then it is technically not a any of the FS numbered Ike double dies. It is nice nonetheless. Maybe worth study to assess it as a hub doubled sibling of the FS-106.
IDK, who would be able to study this coin for me? Is it something that I should have the variety added to the label if NGC would allow it? I plan on keeping it in the OGP. I would like to keep it until after the Portland ANA show next month then I would be happy to have it looked at closer by an expert.
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Post by SteveP » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:22 pm

I'd send it to Tom Kalantzis at IDDD. This coin's DDO is not a DDO that NGS attributes (IOW, not a FS-106 or FS-103). That is not to say that the TPG don't get attributions wrong and erroneously put a serifed-R, hub-doubled FS lookalike in an attributed holder. If it 1971S SP, and has a serif-R, then it is not a FS-103 (1S1-301), FS-106 (1S1-302), or FS-801 (1S1-303). To date, the only DIVa listed with a serif-R is the nightcrawler (1S2-401)

DIVa prefix 1S1 = peg leg 1971S silver proof obverse design
DIVa prefix 1S2 = serif R 1971S silver proof obverse design
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Re: Possible FS-103??

Post by Jones » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:58 pm

Looks like it matches Wexler's DDO-29. Same serif splits and looks to have the same amount of spread. Not positive but it's worth a look. Have a better One, Ken

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Post by wygold » Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:54 pm

I had went to the National Money Show in Portland today and I had two different people tell me what they thought it was. The first one says its a Wexler's DDO 22 but that one says it has a peg leg. Another person told me that it's a 421. But I'm not sure now.

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Post by SteveP » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:18 pm

wygold wrote:I had went to the National Money Show in Portland today and I had two different people tell me what they thought it was. The first one says its a Wexler's DDO 22 but that one says it has a peg leg. Another person told me that it's a 421. But I'm not sure now.
Not a Wexler DDO-022 - that one is a peg leg.
Not a 4/21 - that one is a 1971 S SB Ike (also DIVa 1SB-301, on which the reverse is a likely single die QDR)
Jones wrote:Looks like it matches Wexler's DDO-29. Same serif splits and looks to have the same amount of spread. Not positive but it's worth a look. Have a better One, Ken
I agree.
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