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FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:43 pm
by Tonemeister
Here's my first and only FEV (so far) that I acquired in a "Commemorative" holder that was made in England. It looks to be struck on a proof planchet, to which the Ike group's info attributes 10% of all 71-D's to be struck. So if estimated FEV totals are guessed at 1x or 2x the 72 type 2 estimated population of 100K, according to the group's info page, the number is anywhere between 100 K and 500 K (if the 1st number on the info page is included). Narrow that down to 10% of that number and we get an estimated mintage of 10,000 to 50,000 of these on a proof planchet. Narrow that down to a 1D1-301 DDO/DDR and the odds for population could be considerably less.

Now for the Qs. Does anyone have one of these? We could play the "guess the grade" game. Please correct me if you think it's different from a 1D1-301. Also, I see no re-entry contrail "mischief" on this one, perhaps because the strike might not be full? Oh well, here's the pics...

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchette

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:26 pm
by Tonemeister
... and one more 71 D triple talon head (not an FEV) that appears to be on a proof planchet (?) any thoughts or designations made for the proof planchet ?.. anyone for "guess the grade" on this one?

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:20 pm
by SteveP
We are no longer assigning a DIVa designation to proof planchet Ikes. Nice back story, and nice to have an example, but no DIVa.

The FEV does not look like a 1D1-301. It does have what I call a "high/low L" die crack in LIBERTY. I donnnn't think that this die crack is associated with the 1D1-301, but I will check.

The FEV grade, IMO, is a MS63....possibly a MS64 with some graders.

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:32 pm
by SteveP
I checked the our "hi/lo L" die crack FEVs that I have. They do have a DDO and DDR, but NOT the 1D1-301. The DDO is a split W, smaller spread DDO. The DDR is family 2, not family 1. It is a cool FEV DDO/DDR, but not the 1D1-301.

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 pm
by Tonemeister
Thanks Steve. I really appreciate your input. I'm not familiar with the different "families" of the DD's, ie family 1 and family 2. Is there a link that defines this or should I pick up the Wexler book?

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:12 pm
by SteveP
Tonemeister wrote:I'm not familiar with the different "families" of the DD's, ie family 1 and family 2. Is there a link that defines this or should I pick up the Wexler book?
I will be elaborating on the 1971S SB DDO/DDR families and the FEV DDO/DDR families in the (hopefully) not to distant future (working daily on photographing and writing them up now). You won't find anything of this nature in Wexler or Wiles' works. I did go into it for the FEVs here. Tom Kalantzis did try to organize by die Family to a degree, but his work is no accessible on the internet any longer.

Conceptually, what I am doing is similar to the concept put forth in the Big Book Chapter 27, page 19. I am looking for look-alike DDO and DDR patterns (starting in the 1971S SB and 1971D FEV, since the numbers are somewhat limited), and organizing them into look-alike Families. Within the Families, I try to further organize them by MMP (IOW, by dies). For the FEV, I have identified what looks like 5 different DDO Families, and possibly 3 different DDR Families. For the 1971S SB, I have identified 3 different DDO Families (consistent with Tom Kalantzis' work), and 3 different DDR Families. Within these Families, collectibility is determined by spread, other die features, and most importantly, collector interest.

Re: FEV 1D1-301 on proof planchet

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:06 pm
by Apollo
Hi Steve!

Are the "Talon Head" dollars worth a significant premium and, if so, how does the premium vary by whether it is a one, two, or three talon variety on the forehead?

Thanks!