More detail than the REV, or touch-up?

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More detail than the REV, or touch-up?

Post by AaronMiller » Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:29 pm

Just picked up an earlier die state FEV today (NGC 65 if you are wondering) and noticed additional detail above the earth that I don't remember seeing photos of before...
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raised lines left of star, incuse line above it (from this angle)
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While not as bold as the REV, I wonder if this was intentional detail? OR Could it be that neither this nor the REV were intentional, just a byproduct of touch up work that would quickly wear away?

Note the line nearest the point on the star appears to be incuse, while the two lines nearest E appear to be raised.

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Re: More detail than the REV, or touch-up?

Post by robEzerman » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:40 pm

Aaron, sharp eyes and good photo!

Have no problem with fresh looks at any and all details on the FEV and the Ike Group's hypotheses, but I think your photo does not change the likelihood that the REV is purposeful: it is quite boldly incuse, and though we've not pushed this thought before, I think it makes sense that the REV was engraved in a Hub and that means Master Hub (if not in the Galvano), just a stretch to think that one working hub struck all the FEV dies with our growing theoretical appreciation for the limited number of dies a single working hub could hub.

Also supporting the REV as purposeful is its mirror image (south pointing) on the high-relief 71-72 Ike reverses, in exactly the same location, but at the leading top of the incuse "Shadow Image" consistent with the lift-off Apollo 11 vehicle.

It would be cool to look for your in-relief die scratches on other EDS FEV's to determine if these scratches are universally present and thus probably master die touch-up, or rare, in which case likely a single die was touched up?

As usual, just thinking out loud based on what the FEV shows us: any implication of certitude is unintentional. . . Rob
Now is the time to cherry Ikes. Lots of fruit still on the trees but don't wait too long. Rob Ezerman

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Re: More detail than the REV, or touch-up?

Post by AaronMiller » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:05 am

I don't disagree that the REV is intentional, was just thinking aloud and playing devil's advocate... the REV is very strong and appears intentional. What I wonder about though is whether these other details are touch up work, or also intentional... northern lights? If purposeful, I have no idea what this would be trying to show.

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Re: More detail than the REV, or touch-up?

Post by robEzerman » Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:53 pm

Aaron, I need all the devil's advocacy I can stimulate ;) for the resolution thereof is the stuff of progress.

As I write the early overview chapters of the Ike Book I'm trying to find several different ways to write the same concept: the Ike Group's body of work is not based on a direct channel to God or on seances with FG!

We have had a wonderful adventure pulling explanations from everything already in writing about Ikes and from the coins themselves but we bring to the Ike research table no hugely special numismatic expertise (with the exception of special areas of expertise from Herb and Brian and Dave and Gary and Ehab and Bill and Andy). Rather, we are six die-hard serious Ike guys from various backgrounds (to say nothing about the guys like yourself that have contributed so much to the effort!), and, we all have one huge advantage over some other Ike specialists: we work well as a group, build on each other's ideas and observations, and we leave our egos at the door. . . :o :? 8-) :P Rob
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