1971S proof DDO

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1971S proof DDO

Post by numismatistchris » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:21 pm

I have what I think is a DDO fs 106. Some input would be good. Looks to smooth to be mechanical. And I am curious about the type 1,2, and three varieties. Was the earliest year for them 72?
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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by numismatistchris » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:26 pm

I have several pictures.
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Post by numismatistchris » Thu Jan 09, 2014 2:29 pm

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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by HerbHicks » Thu Jan 09, 2014 5:27 pm

Reverse Ike variety or type I was on business strikes in 1971 and variety II was on proof strikes in 1971-1972. Variety III was started in mid-year 1972.

Unfortunately we now have 1971 D variety 1 which is a FEV and 1971 D ordinary or variety 2. That variety 2 is the same as variety 1 above.

We generally use "type" here rather than "variety", but purists including the Red Book say variety.

Walther Breen used "type" in quotes. That implies certain reservations in the use of that term. Sometimes I feel Walter is heckling me from the grave. I was an early offender in using the word "type".

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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by SteveP » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:02 pm

Two questions were asked:
1) Does not look like a FS-106. Looks very good, but appears to be in IDDD hub family 8.

2) Regarding the major Ike varieties, or Types: It's not rocket science - just remember that "Types" are assigned by year, not across years.
In 1972 (P), there are three "Types": http://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=184
In 1976 P&D, there are two "Types": http://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=181
Now, in 1971D there are two "Types": Type one is the FEV (http://www.ikegroup.info/?page_id=216), and Type two is the more common reverse (RDV-001) (http://varietyvista.com/Eisenhower%20Do ... hanges.htm)

Again, these "Type" assignments apply only to the given year/mint, and do not carry across years.

We wouldn't want you to think a 1972 Type 2 looks like a 1976 Type 2, would we? ;)
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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by numismatistchris » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:47 am

Ok thank you. As far as the 1971 proof strikes. I am still building my collection so I only have a few to relate to at this point. I have a 1976 type two. And A 78 I have done little research on. This coin is my main focus at this point. I was reading on an ngc link about 1971 proofs and the type one was mentioned. I am just trying to get a positive id without getting it graded. I think since there were so many changes to the design and few followers to the coin until recent years a lot hasn't been discussed. Here is a picture of the earth on it but one thing I don't get is the crater having little to no outline. As mine has a prominent outline and I will be posting a picture tomorrow. Thank you for your input.
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Post by numismatistchris » Fri Jan 10, 2014 12:49 am

You can see the impact crater alright in this picture.
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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by SteveP » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:47 am

I'm not sure exactly what the question is.
I was reading on an ngc link about 1971 proofs and the type one was mentioned. I am just trying to get a positive id without getting it graded.
1971 proofs had a high relief reverse - RDV-002 (http://varietyvista.com/Eisenhower%20Do ... hanges.htm) - these are common. However, the mint did produce a few (how many?) 1971 proofs (possibly in very early production - IMO) with a low relief reverse - RDV-001 - these are rare.
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Re: 1971S proof DDO

Post by HerbHicks » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:20 pm

<<Here is a picture of the earth on it>>

That earth is a type 2 as versus a type 1 (1972 nomenclature, not to be confused with the 1971 D types).

{If anybody else can come up with a non-awkward explanation - Have at it).

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