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1971-S FS-103

Post by ilikeikes » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:19 am

My gamble paid off...first time doing this..bought an anacs slabbed 71-S Proof labeled as DMR-11, I think was graded PR67 Cam(I have to look it up on my purchase history, to be precise)..anyway, sent into PCGS for crossover and conservation. Cost less than $250.
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 28944434
PCGS Coin #: 395913
Date, mintmark: 1971-S
Denomination: $1
Variety: Silver DDO FS-103 (FS-015.8)
Country: The United States of America
Grade: PR68DC
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,500
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 1
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by AndyO » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:06 am

Another ultra-silver TV. Nice coin.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by SteveP » Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:56 pm

1) Congratulations!
2) I've had multiple similar results of grade improvement through their restoration service. Moreso on proofs than business strikes, but I've had bumps in both types. I usually break mine out before sending them in. I've only had one that was not accepted for restoration - it was a raw coin to begin with.
3) Did you submit the coin still in the ANACS holder or did you break it out first? Technically/officially, it is not supposed to matter. Any coin through restoration gets re-graded after restoration (supposedly blinded to the original grade/holder).
4) Looks like the true view protocol for PCGS Ike proofs has changed (given Andy's, and now this one). I like the black fields esthetically - maybe because that is what I've always known. I can get used to this new way. Just a bummer for someone putting together one of their digital albums for a set - some black fields, some silver fields.
5) You might want to update your recent thread, where you "warned..3-4 months for finalization...if not longer".
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by ilikeikes » Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:19 pm

A little odd the true-view does not create a black and white contrast..I would have enjoyed a DCAM look better.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by 19Lyds » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:40 pm

ilikeikes wrote:My gamble paid off...first time doing this..bought an anacs slabbed 71-S Proof labeled as DMR-11, I think was graded PR67 Cam(I have to look it up on my purchase history, to be precise)..anyway, sent into PCGS for crossover and conservation. Cost less than $250.
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 28944434
PCGS Coin #: 395913
Date, mintmark: 1971-S
Denomination: $1
Variety: Silver DDO FS-103 (FS-015.8)
Country: The United States of America
Grade: PR68DC
PCGS Price GuideSM Value: $2,500
Holder Type: Standard
Population: 1
View this coin in PCGS CoinFacts
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Makes up for the dogs this year.
Calvin
Congrats Calvin. I wish my "ANACS Gamble" would have paid off. Instead I spent close to $600 for a good screwing.

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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by ilikeikes » Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:46 pm

Pics..more later..old label sent back for record-keeping.
For those who are reading this for the first time...this was sent into PCGS for conservation, and, bumped up 1 point. I'll take close ups later tonight, BUT, for now, I'm leaning towards a mis-labeling. For the life of me, I cannot find ANY--ZERO---NADA doubling on reverse..not even LLAR, olive leaves and FG(a typical WHDDR-1,2,3)..nothing on RIBUS, as shown in Wexler, where it should be. And, as stated before, the STRENGTH of the IGWT notching is not what I expected from such a highly sought after coin, and, in many regards, is weaker than other DDO Ikes in my stash. Or, obverse DDO-OO8, and NEW reverse.
Pics should he you guys see the story.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by SteveP » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:45 pm

Unfortunately, this from a hub-sourced family of dies. There are a number of die siblings that end up in the FS-103 holder, but do not have the true FS-103 markers....poor attribution consequent to poor marker delineation in the attributor's source material.

I have several FS-103s in holders. I think two of them are correct. I have yet to do MMP and full marker identification on what I have.

This is one of the reasons I tend to be picky about marker identification and MMP on DIVa Ikes. I want attribution to be close to slam dunk accurate.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by ilikeikes » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:53 pm

I'd like to compare your 3 to mine Steve...going to find the markers page, and get at it. This MM placement is from the CONECA site..surely, it must be wrong...I have never seen an IKE with the S closer to the 9 than the 7, besides, the neck is wrong..I think they put a KHD shot in there by mistake.
Ok..coin examined..same results...obverse matches fine, comparing to CONECA Pics and ARED Pics..again, NO doubling reverse...ANYWHERE...possible new die marriage, is my only theory. As you can see..nothing there.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by 19Lyds » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:56 pm

ilikeikes wrote:I'd like to compare your 3 to mine Steve...going to find the markers page, and get at it. This MM placement is from the CONECA site..surely, it must be wrong...I have never seen an IKE with the S closer to the 9 than the 7, besides, the neck is wrong..I think they put a KHD shot in there by mistake.
Why not just send it to CONECA for attribution instead of guessing around?

That's what I did and then presented the misattribution letter to PCGS for the Variety Attribution guarantee.

Sure, you'll feel like a schmuck since you're the one that said it was an FS-103 in the First Place but then, that's why they get the big bucks! To get it right!

If anything will affect the long term value of these coins it will be a bunch of misattributed coins. Creating confusion amongst collectors will get it dumped from the CPG and then that PCGS attribution won't be worth a squishy squat. There's nothing worse than paying 2 grand for a coin with an attribution only to get told.................Uhhhh, I don't think its correctly attributed.
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Re: 1971-S FS-103

Post by ilikeikes » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:25 am

will do..off to Dr. Wiles it is.
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