1973-s uncirculated need clarification/attribution

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1973-s uncirculated need clarification/attribution

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Hi, new to this forum and collecting (inherited 3 months ago). This coin has a slightly off-centre strike, extensive doubling on the reverse lettering and the outline of the eagle.
Also has 3 die scratches attributable to DDR-002 but isn't this normally on the 1971s? However, there are also what look to be large die cracks under the top of each wing, and the "shadows" on both sides. At first i thought a die clash but can't really match them to anything on their opposite sides.
The closest i can get is, Obverse ODV-0010 and reverse DDO-023.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Welcome to the forum. The ridges on the eagle’s wings are from die cracks. These are not uncommon.

I would be very interested to see a good clear picture of the doubling, especially around AMERICA. I don’t know of any 73 S doubled dies like that so it’s likely machine doubling, but no way to tell without a decent photo.
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Thanks for your attention to my post. It is a difficult coin to photograph because about 5/6mm in from the rim on both sides the surface is raised slightly, giving the shadow. I have attached more fotos and also of the date which also appears to be doubled slightly. On the reverse, under the wing, the first curved shadow matches the position of part of the back of Ike's head, and on the obverse the small shadow seems to match the top corner of a wing which made me think of a minor die clash.
I am trying to organise this inheritance and catalogue the coins with, if possible, their correct attribution to variety, error etc
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Not close/clear enough. Here's an example of the clarity we need to be able to help you (short of holding it in hand):

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ok, i will set up a different camera and see if it is better

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Can't get a satisfactory image with this set-up. I will go to my office tomorrow on the way to a supermarket(in case i am stopped and questioned, it is pretty strict here in Spain about being outside) and collect my macro lenses. In the meantime i managed a passable image of the doubling at the bottom of the coin . Thanks for your patience
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For non MD (mechanical doubling) DDR Ikes, these are the places I like to look (not necessarily in this order):
~Notching on LL of DOLLAR
~Doubling on FG and leaves at end of olive branch
~Stars points!
~R and C of AMERICA
~Big Dot at end of EPU
~Lettering of EPU
~Doubling in olive branch and crater lines
~Notching in all letters of US of A

DDR, TDR and QDR Ikes never really got that much attention until the FS-801 emerged. Most of the focus for variety collectors was on the Obverse, not the Reverse. I never gave the reverse of Ikes a second look until I met Tom K. He taught me to appreciate the doubling that can occur on the reverse of Ikes and give them closer scrutiny.

Ikes need to have pretty significant DDR, TDR or QDR to bring premiums as minor doubling and MDD is rampant in Ikes and will drive one towards the edge of insanity if you try to figure them all out! I think that might have been why Wexler and Wiles never really delved too deeply into Doubled Die Ikes. Of course, they were also busy studying MANY other coin series, so couldn't spend all of their time in Ikeland.

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Hello. Is the post from Apr. 20 a rev. photo of a 72-s bs. If so, are those die scratches a marker for a specific Ike variety/collectable . Thanks

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That is on the reverse of a 2SB-403. Check out our DIVa section for all our currently listed varieties.
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Thanks AndyO sorry for time lag. I could not find it but knew I had that rev. die. 17 of 40 raw. 2 of 3 slabbed. No obv. matches, not even a single marker. A few ddo/tdo but lots of different abrasion lines. I cut my teeth on large cents and love the die states available with this series. Must be a rare state if you think how fast it washed out. Any thoughts ? Thanks again.

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